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Copies of sites

The Kiralys have tried to take down the sites before and they may try it again. As a safety measure, the domains and mirror copies are being given away. The sites now belong to the world.

Here's a link to a ZIP file that contains a copy of the main Christ Follower site. It may be out of date but feel free to download the ZIP file and pass it around. The file is about 135MB in size.

Link for christfollower.zip

People who are able to contact the new domain managers, including Metacognician, Kappelin, and Tactician, may request one of the domains as well.

Welcome to an Odd Story

The Kiraly Cases are a pair of legal actions that pit most members of a family named Kiraly — Father James, Mother Grace, Brother Kenneth, and Brother Thomas — against the oldest Brother, Robert.

I am Robert.

The cases have a number of unusual aspects. For example, James Kiraly is a former abuser who initiated these actions against his son to discourage the writing of a book. And who continues these actions in the hopes of shutting down the website that this page appears on.

Note to attorneys: I do not use the word “alleged” before “former abuser” here. Nor do I say I “feel” that James is a former abuser. Instead, I assert publicly that James is a former abuser.

I trust the point is clear. I feel free to speak bluntly because I speak the simple truth.

Regarding James's motives, there is not much doubt. People are invited to read the actual case materials as they move online over time. After review they may draw their own conclusions.

For now, start with the documents that are linked below. For additional material, use this link.


Kiraly Case Notes for Attorneys — Story Version

The link below goes to the story of the Kiraly Cases. It is intended for attorneys but anybody may find it interesting.

Browse as a single web page

To download a PDF version, use the following link. PC users can use Right Click followed by Save Link As or Save Target As. For Mac users, Control and Left Click may work instead. PDFs may not work for cellphones.

PDF version of case notes


Responses to Allegations 130120

The links below are responses to various allegations. The allegations themselves appear in Court documents known as “pleadings” that will be posted over time. To browse the Case Notes as a single large web page, click on the following link:

Browse as a single web page

To download a PDF version, use the following link. PC users can use Right Click followed by Save Link As or Save Target As. For Mac users, Control and Left Click may work instead. PDFs may not work for cellphones.

Responses to allegations PDF


Kiraly Cases DV150 Filings

The DV150 Filings are a pair of documents that were filed early on as initial responses to the Kiraly actions. To browse the DV150 Filings as a single web page, click on the following link:

Browse as a single web page


Free Speech Memorandum

OldCoder's attorney said that he could do a Motion to Limit Scope for about a hundred dollars. In the end, he charged OldCoder about $5,000 to write an unusual document. The idea was that the document was supposed to get fees in advance. To read the rest of the story and get the $5,000 document, visit the page:

Story of Free Speech Memorandum

If you'd just like to get the Free Speech Memorandum itself and skip the story, click here instead. Note: The format is PDF, which may not work on some phones.

Disclaimer: The links go to a draft and not to an Endorsed as Filed copy of the Memorandum. The document is not represented to be anything but an unmodified copy of a document that was provided to me by my attorney which, I am led to believe, was ultimately filed with the Court possibly in some other form.


April 10, 2013 Declaration

The PDF linked below is a Declaration that I filed with the Court in response to a Declaration filed on April 5, 2013 by Opposing Counsel Michael Bonetto. Topics include abuse by my Father, James Francis Kiraly. And statements by my Mother, Grace Violet Kmeta Kiraly.

April 10, 2013 Declaration related to abuse by James and statements by Grace


April 30, 2013 Declaration

Things got odd towards the end of the cases.

It seemed possible that my attorney John Perrott was colluding with Opposing Counsel Michael Bonetto. Actually, I was reasonably sure of it by this point. The link below explains a related Declaration that I filed on April 30, 2013.

April 30, 2013 Declaration asserting settlement


July 4, 2013 Letter to Lisa

This link goes to a personal letter. More precisely, to a public posting that is directed to Lisa Kerechanko. It is not a legal document and it is not worded objectively. However, it may be relevant or of interest as the Kerechankos, like the Kiralys, are seeking to take down website content.

July 4, 2013 Letter to Lisa


August 17, 2013 Legitimate Purposes for Gathering Kiraly Information

This link goes to a list of Legitimate Purposes for the Gathering of Information related to members of the Kiraly Family and/or to any or all parties associated with Kiraly Cases past or future.

August 17, 2013 Legitimate Purposes for Gathering Kiraly Information


The Infamous Document Set

The Infamous Document Set is a 69-page collection of documents that the Kiralys view as controversial. The documents are disorganized, they contain overlapping material, and they need a lot of work. But they're not bad under the circumstances. I ended up in the Emergency Room while writing the first draft.

To browse the Infamous Document Set as a single large web page, click on the following link:

Browse as a single web page

To download a PDF version, use the following link. PC users can use Right Click followed by Save Link As or Save Target As. For Mac users, Control and Left Click may work instead. PDFs may not work for cellphones.

kiralymain.pdf


121128 Demands by Michael Bonetto

This is a document sent by Opposing Counsel Michael Bonetto of Hoge Fenton. It makes unusual demands which tend to confirm the assertion that James Kiraly and Michael Bonetto are focused on stopping books, websites, and interactions with third parties related to the writings in question.

Read the document closely and note the parts related to “indirect” harassment and $5,000 per violation. If I am not mistaken, these parts could have been used to put a stop to consensual interactions with those who wished to speak about the Kiralys.

Michael was displeased that this document was posted. In an attempt to get it taken down, he cited the law incorrectly. He also suggested that his firm could use intellectual property rights to prevent this odd attempt to stop my writing from being made public.

To browse a Web version of Michael's demands, click here. For a PDF document version, click here instead. PDFs may not work for cellphones.


121220 Response to Kiraly Demands

This is a proposal that my attorney sent to Michael Bonetto. It is related to Michael's attempt to stop my writing. Michael either rejected this attempt to settle things or ignored the letter entirely. The document is in Web format.

To browse the letter, click here.


130114 Stipulation Files

These are two PDF files related to a Stipulation that my attorney had me sign circa 130114. It surrendered on most significant points other than CLETS. The other side turned it down so that they could press for CLETS. The ultimate goal is to declare my book and this website to be “indirect harassment” or the like and therefore prevent me from writing.

Letter about Stipulation Document

130114 Stipulation Document

PDFs may not work for cellphones.