Are you ready to go down the rabbit hole? To visit a surreal world, where black is white and white is carrots?
A friend, Metacognician in Shanghai, describes the situation as follows: “Life is more absurd than movies. I've gone down the rabbit hole too, when it just becomes more and more strange and you wonder how that all is supposed to make sense.” I asked him if I should just embrace it. He answered, “Why should you ... change the universe?”
It started with a psychotic named Jim Kiraly who resides, we think, at 32 La Gaviota, Pismo Beach, California.
Jim Kiraly is a respected citizen. A churchgoer. A Vice President of Transamerica Corporation. And a violent abuser who tried to use an emergency anti-violence measure, one intended to protect battered women, to stop his victim in a wheelchair from writing a book.
Concise enough? :)
For attorneys: Jim Kiraly filed for CLETS against his son and victim, who lived 200 miles away, did not own a car, and was in a wheelchair. His son and victim was not asked to end communications. Jim had no (zero) specific and relevant allegations that were not perjury. But he turned down repeated offers of no-contact and a signed stipulation that gave him everything but CLETS. He insisted on CLETS if his victim ever once “discussed” him with third parties.
In the end, Jim Kiraly signed an agreement far weaker than the ones he'd been offered.
A review of Court paperwork and other materials will tend to confirm that Jim and other parties, including attorneys on all sides, committed multiple felonies, crimes, and faux pas. :P
The word “abuser” is stated here publicly and without equivocation. A formal offer is hereby made to reaffirm the word in writing and under oath. Attorneys will understand the significance of the point. In short, there is little terror of a threatened defamation suit on this side. Actually, we feel that such a suit will fit nicely up Jim Kiraly's abuser ass.
Jim has one son, Ken Kiraly, who invented the Amazon Kindle and is one of the leads at Amazon's secret Lab126. Another son, Tom Kiraly is one of the leads, a Vice President-CFO type, at medical insurance firms, including one of the largest, Humana Corporation.
These people and some of the biggest names in Silicon Valley legal circles have committed or are involved in multiple crimes.
For the next decade or two, we're going to explore the crimes that these people committed, the motivations and the denial involved, the background and histories that led each person to make the choices that they did, and ways to build upon what happened and move towards positive societal goals.
There's plenty to go over. These people committed or were involved in: Spousal abuse, child abuse, DDOS (a highly prosecutable violation of CFAA), extortion, perjury, conspiracy to commit perjury (a possible felony), false police reports, conspiracy to file false police reports (a possible felony), unlawful threats, barratry, defamation, malpractice, civil harassment, criminal harassment, abuse of process, and violations of SCCBA Professional Standards.
The point was to force Jim's oldest son and victim, me, to sign a gag order. I was in a wheelchair. I'd never made a single inappropriate threat against my abuser. I wasn't even asked to not to call anybody. But Jim threatened to put me in a violence database unless I agreed never to write about him.
I won the right to write, but I lost my home of 25 years, most of my possessions, my chances for retirement, everything. Everything but a realization.
I can make a difference. I can conduct research for legitimate and reasonable purposes, document what happened, and analyze the choices of the people involved:
- Grace Kiraly, abuse victim and Christ Follower.
- Gail Cheda, slightly demented Realtor, spittle flying.
- Tom Stutzman of Thomas Chase Stutzman, a Family Law attorney whose hobbies include martial arts and alleged sexual harassment
- John Perrott of Thomas Chase Stutzman, a personable albeit lazy Family Law attorney who has a slight tendency towards fraud and malpractice
- Chris Burdick, head of the Santa Clara County Bar Association (SCCBA). Chris, you broke a written promise to speak with me because, you said, we had “Prior...” You didn't finish the sentence. Were you worried that I might take false statements to the State Bar? What's the deal with you and Hoge Fenton, anyway? What will we find if we dig?
- Tracie Zerr of Thomas Chase Stutzman, a woman of boundless intelligence and sensitivity.
Maggie told me that she didn't know what she could say to me about what happened. However, we have decades to work it out. It will be productive. I'd like to direct the attention of attorneys and other parties to the:
Questions or comments are welcome. For technical notes and disclaimers, click here.
The current free ebook is located at this link:
For details about the ebook, click here.
The Kiralys and their associates have tried to take down the sites before. Actually, they've committed multiple felonies in the process. It's no big deal, but to make a point, we're giving everything away for the low price of... well, free.
Here's a link to a ZIP file that contains a copy of the main Christ Follower site. It may be out of date but feel free to download the ZIP file and pass it around. The file is about 150MB in size.
Link for christfollower.zip:
The point? “The story is already out there, idiots. Keep it up and I'll demonstrate how something known as decentralized distribution works.”
150720. Thoughts on a friend.
std:vector is not one you should hector
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150718. This is a proposed message under construction that may be served upon Jim Kiraly, the abuser who is believed to reside at 32 La Gaviota, Pismo Beach, California.
This proposed message and information related to Jim Kiraly has been posted for legitimate and reasonable purposes, including but not limited to seeking assistance from members of the general public with research and composition. Attorneys are invited to review the related document linked below:
Technical note: Documents that are served upon Jim Kiraly will not be, in and of themselves, violations of past agreements that are now repudiated regardless.
Attorneys are invited to review the handwritten edits to the agreements in question which the abuser in question agreed to and signed.
Suggests related to wording may be emailed to:
To proceed, here is the proposed message, subject to changes based on feedback:
I learned on the night of July 17, 2015 that the following website had been, at an undetermined date, deleted in its entirety without explanation:
The website in question was one that I had created in mid-June 2012 in an attempt to obtain attorneys in legal actions that you had initiated against me a month before but had never troubled yourself to serve me for.
The site is outdated now, but I consider it significant both because it represented a turning point in my understanding of our relationship and because its creation involved my near-death from dehydration.
I asked the webhost on the same night to identify the party, if any, who had made a complaint which had to deletion. I included some points related to the prosecutable crimes that you personally have committed or been involved in.
The next morning, July 18, 2015, I found that the site had been restored.
As a follow-up notification, if the site is deleted again, by anybody or for any reason, I don't wish anybody to be concerned about the possibility that its content will disappear. In such an event, printed copies will be sent, for legitimate and reasonable purposes, to parties of different types. Online copies will also appear around the world.
Actually, these legitimate and reasonable steps are going to be taken regardless.
Best regards, Robert (the Old Coder)
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150718. Last night, I noticed that a website I created in mid-June 2012 had been deleted. This was:
I'm not sure when this happened, but it might have been in 2014. I was pretty busy in 2014 after I lost my home of 25 years. To paraphrase Willem de Kooning, being a transient takes up a lot of your time.
I asked Wikidot to confirm or deny that the site was deleted as part of the three-year campaign by Jim Kiraly of 32 La Gaviota, Pismo Beach, California, to take down websites which mention that Jim Kiraly is, in fact, an abuser; and, as it happens, not an especially pleasant or cheerful abuser.
This morning, the site is back. Wikidot has restored it. The site is outdated, but will remain up for the time being. If it is deleted again, dozens of copies will go up at different hosts located around the world.
For now, one page from the site will be mirrored here. You can read the page in question a few screens down.
The deleted site was a turning point in my life.
The abuser Jim Kiraly of St. Johns Lutheran Church and his son, Tom Kiraly, VP of Humana Corporation, possibly CFO of Hanger Inc., and a bit of a silly bitch, had filed legal actions against me a month before and nobody had troubled themselves to tell me about this minor detail.
I learned about the legal actions days before Court and had no way to obtain an attorney in time. I created a website in desperation, hoping that some attorney might look at what was happening, understand that a crime was being committed, and offer assistance.
I was still an idiot at this point.
I wrote dozens of pages in a sort of fevered state. I forgot to drink water. Two days after the first draft of the page mirrored below was completed, I nearly died.
I sat by the phone, because I was supposed to wait to hear if the Court was going to look at an ex parte document that I'd filed.
I knew that something was wrong. I didn't seem to be able to focus or talk correctly. But I waited by the phone. Surely there was going to be a call.
It could have gone either way. I decided to go seek medical attention. If I hadn't, I have slipped into unconsciousness and died. As it was, I nearly didn't make it.
I woke up at one point and found myself exiting a bus. I didn't know where I was or what was happening. The ten minutes preceding this scene were simply gone. It was sort of existential.
The bus driver looked at me, told me to come back inside, and somehow turned the bus around on a narrow road. He took me for medical care. The next eight hours are a blur. And the next morning was Court without an attorney.
The deleted site had rough edges. I was dying, after all, when I created it. But it opened the floodgates.
When I thought about everything that my father Jim Kiraly, my mother Grace Kiraly, and my brothers Tom Kiraly and Ken Kiraly of Lab126 had done, and the fact that they were fighting for nothing but the right to erase me from history, a transition that was needed was completed.
I was able to write again, at last, after 40 years.
There is a book named “The Ghost Belonged to Me”. When the title crosses my mind these days, it triggers thoughts about a different title. The title of a legitimate and reasonable Free Speech project related, perhaps, to Jim Kiraly and Tom Kiraly:
The Bitch Belongs to Me
Below, you'll find a page from June 2012, a page that the Kiralys bankrupted me over. For a copy of the page that is closer to its actual appearance at the time, click here.
1. Overview of Family History page
This is a personal page. Very personal, I guess. This page talks about me and my loving and caring family. The content is probably of only incidental interest to attorneys.
If TMI (Too Much Information) makes you uncomfortable, you probably shouldn't read this page.
Here are links for all the other pages on the website:
2. About me
2.1. I'm Robert Crowley, a software engineer and writer in his mid-50s. The name is Anglicized; the original spelling is the same as the one my father uses. I don't use that spelling much presently except for legal purposes.
2.2. I'm also autistic or have a similar condition. I probably think and speak differently than you do. One issue is that I'm literal. To me, facts are usually facts. I like poetry and metaphors and so on. But facts are special. They are real. It isn't like this for other people.
As a related note, I know that people lie, especially to themselves, but somehow it still surprises me.
The fact that lies by the Kiralys still surprise me does not speak well of my own potential to learn from mistakes.
2.3. My condition was diagnosed in the 1960s though only in a manner of speaking. Or as a manner of speaking. At the time, they called it “speech difficulties”. I didn't stutter but I was sent briefly to a class for children who stuttered. There was no actual treatment for the condition. Instead, there was abuse at home because James Kiraly viewed it as “attitude”.
As a related note, there are parallels to full autism in my case but I can talk 'n' stuff so it is not full autism. There is something unusual about the two sides of my brain. Speech and writing are more different than is typical.
Evidence of something strange apparently turned up in a neurological workup that was done in the 1980s. The neurologist who did the workup wrote about what he noticed in his notes. But he didn't say anything to me about this. I didn't learn about the issue until I read his notes years later.
2.4. I've been a bit unwell since around 2000. It's not a big deal. I walk normally most days but I spend part of my time in a wheelchair. Food started to make me ill a few years ago; so I sometimes fast for a week or two at a time.
Last year I came close to losing two of my fingers. This year it appeared for a while that a hand might be lost. There was swelling that seemed serious enough that I thought it might cut off circulation at the wrist. I don't know if this was actually possible or not but it was disconcerting.
Something odd has also happened to the system that controls breathing and sleeping. On some days, if I don't take regular breaks to breathe deeply, I became very sleepy. A few minutes of breathing differently seems to fix the problem. In the past, this only happened if I ate food. Recently, it seems to happen all the time.
Summer 2011 was a little difficult. I wasn't able to move well enough to get food or painkillers for two weeks. This is when I received my wheelchair. Somebody came and provided me with the wheelchair. They then purchased food for me. Bread, tomatoes, etc. Simple things but I was glad to see them.
My life was saved but I didn't walk much for a month and didn't recover fully for about two months. Shortly after that my parents boosted my spirits in their own kind and pleasant way. We'll come back to the sequence of events.
On my first trip outside by myself during my recovery I went on crutches to eat at Armadillo Willy's, a BBQ place. I became trapped on the way home and couldn't move. I must have looked odd standing there. A nice graduate student saw me and drove me home. We talked about his Christian faith.
On the second trip outside, I made it almost all the way home. But just a few yards away, I ended up getting stuck and unable to move again. It took me about an hour to move the remaining distance.
Right now, as I type this, there's some new pain in a thumb but it's only affecting typing slightly.
So, nothing too unusual. The medical stuff is only mildly interesting. But it should be mentioned because my family says I've tried to extort money from them to get medical care. Actually, the main thing that's been said about medical care is that I should pray to Jesus more often.
I've heard the Jesus advice from quite a few people; not just family members. So it must be valid.
Could I please not be so sick any longer? It's been 12 years. That's quite a while.
If You listen, You know that I scream at night sometimes with the pain. Sometimes I can't walk. It's been two months now since that happened so maybe it won't come back. But it always has.
Sometimes I can't eat food. One weekend in April I couldn't get water but Ziyad kept me company on the Internet. I called George and Sandy Kerechanko too. I think Sandy and I talked about her greeting card venture as I lay there without water. I like what she does at work because it makes people happy.
In May 2012 I thought I would lose my hand. The circulation was cut off. Oh, well. Things happen. But the breathing cycle thing has sped up this month. What's up with that, Jesus? Are You having a little Fun?
Wait, don't tell me. Grace Kiraly has already explained this. I'm sick because I made “decisions” which the woman is unable to define or articulate. “You must have done *something* Bob! Because otherwise I might need to feel bad! This is about me, Grace Kiraly! It is important that I feel good! If I admit that you don't deserve this then I will feel bad!”
But, wait. The Kiralys have cheered me up with the tender gifts that they offer me: hatred of that which is different; and perjury. They hate in Your Divine Name. They Lie for You. Truly I must respect the gifts.
James Francis Kiraly. Grace Violet Kiraly. Thomas Evan Kiraly. Kenneth Paul Kiraly. You are doing the Will of Jesus. I am sure that He will bless you for it.
Jesus, a job would be nice. I'm very good at some things. I think I might be among the best. But I talk differently than normal people so it's hard. Is the way that I speak Your special gift to me? Please, may I have a family instead? After half a century, so long in the cold and the dark, could I have people who will love me and not hurt me?
Is there a reason that You sent me to the Kiralys? A reason that Fundamentalists were given a child who was different? One that they would revile as ungodly and never be able to say why? A child who would start to believe what people like this thought and dwindle away until nothing was left?
Did You do this to make me strong? Was James Kiraly supposed to terrorize me? To knock me down both physically and emotionally? Did you ask Thomas Kiraly and Kenneth Kiraly to hurt me in all the small petty ways? To see me only as an object; never under any circumstances as somebody with feelings?
What was Grace Kiraly for? To hug me? I don't remember that even once as a child.
Was this woman supposed to take care of me? To be interested when things went somewhat wrong at school and my bones were broken, or I was beaten with objects, or I was chased by small mobs, or I withdrew to the edge of catatonic, or I was knocked unconscious, or I was struck so hard that I couldn't breathe and suffocated?
If taking care was the point, You have quite a sense of humor. This was the period where Grace Kiraly says I was “having problems with” James Kiraly. I'd go through things at school. Then I'd go home and James Kiraly would start in on me. It was interesting. I was in poor shape after this period. I've tried to explain this to Grace. Here is what Grace Kiraly Christ Follower says about injuries and terror: “Oh, Bob. You are so easily hurt”.
The suffocated incident happened outside a museum where Twisted Time and I used to go as boys. As a separate point, Twisted Time remembers the best time that James Kiraly hurt me. When I searched for Twisted TIme a few years ago and found him in the hospital, it was one of the things we talked about. He has created a secondary email address for this project that the Kiralys won't be able to delete without Public Relations repercussions. He also plans to host a copy of the project.
I love Twisted Time. I can love people now. This wasn't possible in the Kiraly household. There wasn't anybody to love so you couldn't learn to do so.
Jesus, was Grace supposed to buy me medicine as a child? I bought my own medicine to stay alive. With my own allowance. Children aren't allowed to buy that drug any longer; it's a controlled substance now. What do the ones who live with people like the Kiralys do today? I worry sometimes about them.
Actually, I worry more about the weak ones. The ones who believe they are worthless because people like James Kiraly and Grace Kiraly raise them that way and drive the lesson home every day.
Jesus, I know the answers. It is all part of Your Divine and Ineffable Plan. Therefore Thank You and Amen.
3. Ancestors and parents
This is a rough draft. The book version will provide a broader picture.
James Francis Kiraly didn't know much about his family. I'm the one who researched most of it. The Kiralys were prone to infidelity, marital violence, suicide, and child abuse. I heard interesting stories about some of these issues from an elderly relative that James never met.
James himself was raised by his mother. If I remember correctly, his father had punched his mother and knocked her through some glass. I may have the details wrong but the marriage ended shortly afterward regardless.
As far as I know, James never saw his father again. I learned the details of James' father's death and told him about it. James didn't look at me
James was idealistic when he was young. He was also of adequate intelligence though he was below some of his children. And, some things that he kept to himself, he had a violent temper and was OCD as well.
Grace Violet Kmeta was the daughter of Ivan Kmeta, also known as Myroslav Ichnianskyj, a writer who was well-known in some countries. Ivan's books play a key role and a confusing one in the allegations against me. I told my brother Thomas that we needed to discuss how Ivan's books should be distributed in the event of my death. Thomas has stated that this remark indicates I am attempting to extort money from him.
To read more about my grandfather, Google for the three words Ivan Kmeta Efimovich.
Ivan was gentle in his old age but apparently strict with his children. As a young adult, Grace rebelled and had at least two boyfriends: Bill Kiraly and his brother James.
Grace became pregnant either once or twice. It isn't clear who was the father of which baby. Based on something odd in the chronology I am starting to wonder if Bill was the father of a baby that was lost earlier than the period Grace has talked about. But the only person who might have been able to explain things (Grace's brother Tony) is long dead.
The pregnancy (or pregnancies) ended in miscarriage. Grace married James during one of the pregnancies but when she told me about this she was careful to explain that she did care about him. Additionally, James apparently seemed like a better match than Bill did. I gather that James came across as stable and potentially successful.
James wasn't stable. But he *was* successful. He became a respected high-level person at Transamerica. I remember watching as they built the Pyramid. James seemed proud of his role there; at the company in general and the Pyramid in particular.
Four children followed: Robert, Thomas, Kenneth, and Scott. Caring wasn't quite enough. James proved to be violent and abusive. He'd smash things or tear them up. I remember wandering into the living room at age five and not understanding the destruction that I saw.
Grace now denies that James injured her personally. But the records of her injuries may still exist.
This leads into an interesting point. With time, reality shifts for people who have normal neurotransmitters. What matters to them is the way that things are supposed to be. Not the way they are. As a related example, when I talked to Grace in 2012 about the time that James chased me out of the house half-naked, she neither acknowledged nor denied that it had happened. Instead, she said loudly “My husband is not a brute!” This is what mattered to her; a vague value judgment as opposed to the facts.
Grace also used to say things like “Is that what you think of me?” when I talked about various facts. I never knew how to respond. How somebody thinks about something is irrelevant to the facts. What the Hell was she talking about?
For a while, Grace drank gin to cope with the burdens of her marriage. She'd pass out with the bottle nearby. Today she says this only happened once but I remember seeing her this way in more than one place. It might have been a lot of times or just a few. I honestly can't say.
To a literal child, a drunk mother was confusing. The mother wasn't asleep but she wasn't awake either. She could almost talk but not quite. What was this third state supposed to be?
At one point, Grace left James and flew away with her small children in tow. I remember the trip. I vomited on the airplane. I also missed my room. It had my shelves of books and my globe. Would my possessions be all right without me? It is odd but this is what was in my mind.
There wasn't really anywhere permanent to go so Grace returned to James. A decade later, in the 1970s, she asked her husband to move away. He did for a while and the house seemed odd. Quiet and pleasant. But he came back.
Grace also sought my counsel on numerous occasions in the 1980s when she was upset with James. But by the 1990s they were aging and had finally settled in together. Today they travel together, they know each other's boundaries, they are comfortable. I can't imagine them apart.
The three older children went on to successful careers. Or partly successful; my own career fell apart after the dot-com era. The youngest child was OCD and dangerous. The OCD component may have been inherited from James, who thought people didn't know he was OCD.
As an interesting side note, one worth thinking about, Thomas and Kenneth each named one of their children after their own father James. As my book evolves I'd like to write about the choice of the name.
4. Kenneth Kiraly
This part is being written. It should be viewed as simply an outline.
How do I remember Kenneth Kiraly the person who apparently made the Amazon Kindle?
I remember a baby who learned to walk. I helped to teach him. The expression on his face shone quite clearly; he was very pleased.
There was a little boy who was ferocious. Nobody pushed him around. Except his father was brutal and outweighed the little boy. Once they were shouting at each other. The little boy had an older brother who was frightened. Would the man kill the younger boy? So the older brother, who was foolish, smashed a car door on his fingers. Oh, look; injuries. Now there is no time to focus on hurting the other boy.
When the little boy was older, once or twice, there would be shouting. His older brother would say, “Let us go to the movies. Surely it is a coincidence that I would suggest movies during the shouting.” And the little boy would not be killed.
Kenneth and I used to do experiments with electricity that were wonderful and dangerous. Sometimes things would explode.
I taught a teenage boy to drive a car. Oddly, later on, he denied this had happened. But there was a photograph that proved. Silly facts, they are so inconvenient. But why did the teenage boy need to deny this?
When Kenneth was about 19, he was frightened of differential equations and dropped out of school. He didn't want to move back with his father and mother and be a failure. So he moved into my apartment and lived there rent-free for years. Transportation food, and everything, all free. He enjoyed it because he liked to curse at me all the time. Even while we were shopping. People stared as I bought dinner for the teenager who was cursing at me.
I got Kenneth his first real job. At my company. I taught him to code in 'C'. He was good.
We hired Thomas Kiraly, our brother, for a while. Thomas had only worked at cooking hamburgers and needed something besides hamburgers his resume. He was very good too.
The CEO looked at the three brothers and was amazed. Two actual geniuses and one young but sensible CFO type. The CEO said, “Let me hire the fourth brother! Bring him!” But the fourth brother was OCD and dangerous. So we did not bring him.
I suppose it should be mentioned that it wasn't really James that made Grace's life difficult. James did smash things and shout and generally be angry. But Grace was drained primarily by the youngest brother. He wasn't toilet trained until age six and he hated Kenneth and there were other problems.
The Kiralys sent the youngest brother to a sort of Christian Prison in the mountains for a while. I was the only one of the brothers to go visit him. While they were preparing to send the youngest brother away, I seem to remember that Kenneth came to stay with me again. I believe the Kiralys were afraid that the youngest brother would injure Kenneth. But this period is not clear in my memories.
A few years later, some difficult things were happening to me. Kenneth made my happy and joyful by bullying me and taunting me on every possible occasion. He was an adult now but still a bully who mocked and cursed and played small jokes like a teenager might.
There was one thing Kenneth liked to do that I never understood at all. He didn't like our mother, Grace Kiraly, very much; this was understood. But he was surprisingly willing to hurt her in order to hurt me. If I gave Grace gifts, for her birthday or holidays such as Christmas, Kenneth would always look for things that were wrong or inadequate about the gifts and mock them right in front of her. He didn't care if this made Grace sad. She made light of the matter, not realizing that this made me sad. Were my gifts, gifts that I thought long and hard about, so inconsequential?
Later on, Kenneth worked for Logitech which did a spin-off named Multiscope. I invested more money in Multiscope than Kenneth did initially. He said that he couldn't have his brother show more faith in him that he had himself. So he upped his investment. Subsequently he denied this had happened. It is not clear why he would need to deny this.
One of the people at Multiscope was murdered. It was odd because I had met him. Note: Kenneth could not have done it because it happened in another country.
The money went away. Kenneth and his older brother went for a little walk. “The money is gone.” he said. His older brother replied, “Don't worry it is fine.”
But buyout offers came in soon after. Kenneth Kiraly wanted Microsoft but was forced to go with Symantec due to letter of intent. He ended up working for a man who had problems and was in the news. I mentioned the problems to Kenneth after he returned from a plane trip. I had the impression Kenneth was angry I'd been so presumptuous as to comment on his business.
I went to Kenneth's pre-wedding party with Montasar Swaiss our mutual acquaintance. I sat right next to Kenneth. But he stared through me at the wall and didn't speak to me. I didn't exist. So I was frightened and didn't go to his wedding.
I only remember seeing Kenneth Kiraly one more time. Thomas Kiraly's children crippled our mother Grace for life. They thought it was a fun game. All the brothers were there afterward. I gave Thomas's son, who had crippled my mother, a book about dinosaurs. I was told later on that he loved the book and often slept with it.
Then Kenneth made the Kindle and I never heard from him again. Not after I lost my career or became sick or any of it. God Bless You, Kenneth.
Grace talked about Kenneth sometimes. Once she mentioned that he had come up to her and said, “When I was a boy your cooking was terrible.” She pretended the remark didn't hurt her but it did.
5. Thomas Kiraly
As with the other sections this is simply an outline.
I remember Thomas Kiraly V.P. of Humana as tall and handsome. He was also cruel and unpleasant though not as harsh as his brother Kenneth.
Thomas and I were close in age but we didn't have much sibling rivalry around the age of four. I don't know about earlier. We shared an imaginary friend. I remember the imaginary friend's name but I won't share it because it is silly.
During school years Thomas quickly realized that I was different and never spoke to me again except to hurt me.
I hurt Thomas on three occasions during childhood. Once by accident. Twice when he came very close to me in an angry way and seemed to be attacking me physically. Most of the time he hurt me instead.
Thomas was the lively and normal boy. Well, sort of normal. Actually he was grim and angry. His mother Grace complained about this to me years later. Tom sometimes set fires, smashed windows, got drunk. But he also had school plays, a band, that sort of thing.
I think the band may have been called “Night Blooming Jasmine” but I'm not sure. I believe I suggested the name “Metro” but I don't remember if the suggestion was considered.
Thomas provides me with a rare positive memory of this family. He was a bedwetter until a late age. But I don't think anybody teased him about this. If it's true, this is positive.
I dutifully recorded the bedwetting issue in my journal. No offense was intended. Somebody scratched it out. If that was Thomas he was probably pissed; pun intended.
As a side note, the journal was useful for more than one purpose. While still a preteen I invented a numeric system that I used to assess my mental state. When James and others hurt me the numbers changed. I think the numbers went too high finally. James Kiraly and my brothers and some of my peers all at once. It was too much. This is the period that I want to talk to Kevin King and his group about. It is also a period that others should know about. This sort of thing should not be allowed. It is not something that everybody lives through.
I treasured small rewards. In high school I earned the right to attend a cast party. Thomas arranged to have me locked out. This was a little joke of his. I stood outside the door and couldn't go in. Thomas laughed and was very pleased that I was not allowed to have my reward. To exist as a member of the group.
Thomas Kiraly turned somewhat less pleasant as a young adult. His mother Grace said later that a dark mask came down. Thomas told me that he would get a gun and shoot me in the head until my brains ran out. He talked often about the nature of the gun and what the bullets would do to me. Not once or twice. He seemed to be able to picture the gun in every detail.
When Thomas was married to Karen there was a problem with the wedding photography. Grace told me that the only photos they have of the wedding are by me. The autistic brother that Thomas is ashamed of.
I remember a small but interesting incident that says more than is immediately apparent. I started family histories many years ago. By the time that Thomas's son Michael was born, I'd learned enough about the Kiraly side that I was able to produce a small chart which showed the importance of the name Michael in the family. Thomas wanted the chart. But he didn't want to ask me for it. He simply took it out of my hands and made a photocopy. He didn't look at me or acknowledge that I had created the chart. I was simply a thing to him; a thing to be used.
I think this is the way it was with all of these people. I never existed as far as they were concerned. I was an object that sometimes had the audacity to talk. Not a person to be thanked, respected, or even loved.
Grace didn't really like Karen but she tried hard to make things work. Thomas didn't help.
Grace gave things to Karen that belonged to me and refused to ask for them back. She said, “I can't look incompetent to my daughter in law!”
After Thomas's children Riane Kiraly and James Kiraly (grandson of the original James) injured Grace, Grace's arm made little crunching sounds. Thomas joked about the crunching sounds. Grace pretended the jokes didn't bother her. But they did.
6. Good and Evil
When Thomas Evan Kiraly lied under oath, he included the following statement:
Thomas: He asked (or demanded) that the relative to find out if my father would pay for his medical bills
As mentioned elsewhere, this never happened. Not the part he attributes to me. Putting aside the fact that Thomas has lied under oath, though, his perjury raises some important questions.
It is not a great surprise to learn that James Kiraly would not “pay for medical bills”. But if Thomas or Kenneth needed James' assistance, would he have “paid for medical bills” in their case? The answer is, almost certainly.
If this is true, why would he “pay for” their bills and not mine? After talking to the mindless fluff that is Grace Kiraly in an attempt to understand what people like this use instead of reason, the answer is clear. James Kiraly would say that I did not “deserve” to be helped because I had made “decisions” of some vague and unspecified type and had not taken “responsibility” for those “decisions”.
So far, so good. But what would happen if somebody asked James to specifically enumerate the “decisions” or to state exactly how the “responsibility” had not been met? It is simple. James would become angry at the question. “Just because! Don't dictate to me! There *must* have been decisions!”
In short, he would have worked backwards from conclusions that he desired. Conclusions that were important to him because of the way that somebody like me, an autistic person, looked or talked. Or perhaps the color of somebody else's skin. Or the religion that another person had. It is the logic that was behind the Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan.
Working backwards based on prejudice. It is the nature, the very essence, of human evil.
If this quality, the essence of evil, is part of somebody's makeup, are they responsible for it? I'm not sure. I'd like to talk to people about the matter. I know what the facts are here. But what is the truth?
Who is the arbiter of good and evil? Is it Jesus Christ? What does Christ, who James and Grace hope to meet someday, think of all this? When the time comes and He sees these two walking toward Him in some sort of nebulous cloudy region, will He smile? Will He frown? Or will He be a bit unwell?
In a version of this text that went on a different site, Jesus Christ made an attempt to be polite to Jim and Grace, but ultimately vomited on them, leading them to dissolve into putrid puddles that ran down the gutters. This is, I feel, the more appropriate vision and will be edited into the text here if the original wording can be located.
|The following pictures and others will be worked into the story as it is completed.|
As an interesting note, the boy on the right here is presently hosting one of the email addresses for this project. He has offered to host a mirror of the site itself as well.
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150621. This is a Father's Day greeting under construction. Ultimately, some variation of this letter will be served upon Jim Kiraly, my abuser and most likely my biological father.
This letter will probably be merged with the draft letter that was posted on my birthday, June 6. To read that letter, scroll down a few pages.
Attorneys who might wish to comment on the proposed communication are invited to read the handwritten edits to the Kiraly Gag Order Cases “agreements” carefully.
This draft copy of the Father's Day greeting is being posted publicly, and is being sent directly to third parties as well, in the hopes of “gathering information” related to Jim Kiraly of Pismo Beach for legitimate and reasonable purposes.
Attorneys and others who might wish to comment on the purposes in question are invited to click on the following link:
To: Jim Kiraly
Jim Kiraly, Hi.
1. Are you still alive or have there been more strokes? Was one of them the end of you? It's my hope that you're still with us. There are matters to be addressed.
If I learn that you've kicked the bucket, I'll post a nice eulogy for you. You'll be missed, but life goes on.
Don't be concerned that things will be left undone. Your widow and victim Grace Kiraly, your sons and victims Tom Kiraly and Ken Kiraly, your attorneys, and I will continue to work things out in legitimate and reasonable interactions for decades to come.
2. As you know, Jim Kiraly, you committed multiple prosecutable crimes, including possible felonies, in 2012.
You stalked me, made escalating threats against me, and ultimately filed an emergency anti-violence action against me despite the fact that I was in a wheelchair and you had not asked me to do, or not to do, anything at all as an alternative to legal actions.
The legal actions were abuse of process intended solely to coerce me into signing a gag order related to past abuse that you had committed.
The abuse of process is not simply an assertion; it's demonstrable. You demanded, in writing, that I agree never to “discuss” you with third parties. In other words, you demanded a gag order.
As you know, I have the document. Michael Bonetto of Hoge Fenton tried to bar me from using it, but he failed.
I voluntarily signed a stipulation that gave you essentially everything but the gag order and the right to put me in a violence database. You turned down the stipulation.
You conspired to commit perjury, committed perjury, conspired to commit extortion, committed extortion, conspired to threaten me after the cases were over, threatened me after the cases were over, conspired to commit DDOS, and committed DDOS.
By the way, conspiracy can be prosecuted, in and of itself, as a felony.
It doesn't matter how much money you throw at things. Eventually, this sort of thing collapses under its own weight.
This draft copy of a letter to abuser Jim Kiraly continues below the photograph below.
A Pretty Face is No Disgrace
This is Jim Kiraly, presently of Pismo Beach, California. The photo was taken in Pacifica when Jim was in his mid-30s. There's a funny story for another time about the two little monks in the window.
Jim Kiraly. Warm-hearted and friendly. Gentle sense of humor. He doesn't beat up women and children. He doesn't lie under oath. He doesn't commit felonies in attempts to shut people up.
Oh, wait :P
3. Jim Kiraly, when you contacted me and threatened me subsequent to the signing of Gag Order Cases “agreements”, you rendered the “agreements” unenforceable.
When your associate in Dallas, Texas, committed the prosecutable felony of DDOS shortly after that, the “agreements” became toilet paper.
I formally repudiated the “agreements” in Fall 2013. I believe that you're aware of this.
This reminds me of something. I suppose you ought to know that there's something commonly known as a web bug in the offline copies of my sites. It's perfectly legal, of course, more so than the prosecutable crimes that you've committed, and moderately useful.
The fact that you committed crimes, and arguably felonies, in an attempt to force me to sign a gag order, and the “agreements” after that, is another factor. But the key point is this:
Any future legal actions related to the “agreements” will probably focus on enforceability. The question of whether or not a violation has occurred might not be an issue. I might stipulate that a violation has occurred; this will render a part of the penalties clause that you were counting on invalid.
In short, Jim, I'm not going to pay your legal bills. Legal bills for a violent abuser who tried to put his victim, somebody in a wheelchair at the time, in a violence database.
If you win on enforceability, which I see as unlikely, I'll make full use subsequently of the handwritten edits to the “agreements” that you signed off on.
Have you read the edits closely, Jim?
A contracts specialist will tell you that contracts are interpreted as a whole, and that multiple factors go into the interpretation. So, it isn't cut and dried. But, you know what? I'm fine with that.
This draft copy of a letter to abuser Jim Kiraly continues below the photograph below.
Gee Thanks, Jim
I was worth $900,000. I lost that, but I rolled up my sleeves and rebuilt. I got back to $225,000. Plenty of money for medical care. But Jim Kiraly accused me of trying to blackmail him for money so that I could walk again.
Hm. I had $225,000 but needed to blackmail Jim? And Jim has never been able to point out a single inappropriate threat that I made?
But the Kiralys have millions of dollars. They threw their resources at me. I ended up homeless and without medical care. The pain is excruciating at times.
This photo was taken the other day. As I type, and grimace a little with each keystroke, I find myself increasing grateful to Jim Kiraly and the rest of the gang.
4. Jim Kiraly, you're aware that “Bob” was terrified of you. Even as an adult.
Grace Kiraly had a word for what you were. In 2011 or 2012, she shouted at me, “My husband is not a beast”. The funny thing was, the word was Grace's, and Grace's alone. Grace's outburst took me by surprise.
“Bob” respected you for one quality. Did you know that? Call the quality “commitment” or “follow-through”. “Bob” figured that, despite the rest of it, the part that makes people uncomfortable, you had an odd sort of integrity. He even assumed that this quality extended to honesty.
The follow-through on your part isn't integrity, though. It's part of the obsessive-compulsive disorder that you've manifested for your entire life.
You didn't betray your principles. They never existed. By the way, I understand you now; everything about you. The “information” that I'm “gathering” is, to some extent, supplemental. I don't expect to find many surprises.
This draft copy of a letter to abuser Jim Kiraly continues below the illustration below.
Broomsticks in the Night Sky
This illustration is from my June, 2013 Father's Day post. To read the full post, click here. Here's an excerpt:
Does my Father, senility diapers askew, befoul himself with excrement as he glares at the computer he's accused me of hacking, certain that I must be lurking somewhere in the shadows even now? Is the next step to accuse me of riding broomsticks in the night sky as my copilot Christ and I circle about, cackling with glee as we plan our next move?
5. I'm older than you were, Jim Kiraly, when you retired. But you've taken my life savings and any chances of coming back a second time.
There will be no retirement. No family of my own. You've killed the children that I was supposed to have at last. The focus right now is on finding a way not to be homeless. At the same time that I can't use one of my hands; that's a big help.
You've taken my home, the home that I lived in for 25 years; a dull little place, but it had become part of me. You've taken most of my books. Even the Universal Anthology that Ivan had when he was a boy.
And you've taken my hands. The one element that I need, along with my sight, to work. It's my left hand this time. It'll come back, but not completely. When this happens, I lose a little more functionality each time.
When you started this, Jim Kiraly, what did you think would happen? Did you expect that it would all simply go away? The answer, I've come to understand, is that you didn't think at all.
My decision is that as you've sacrificed me on an altar half a century high, an altar that's a monument to your ego and unbridled rage, it is meet and just that the monument serve a positive purpose.
Deus est regit qui omnia. You're not exempt. Do you know the nature of the Unpardonable Sin, Jim Kiraly? It was in one of Grace Kiraly's Fundamentalist magazines.
But you're the perfect symbol for what an abuser actually is as opposed to the popular stereotypes. Sursum Corda, Jim Kiraly, you're going to help abused women and children. Victims of all types. In a sense, even after you die, you'll be there.
When you pass away from this Earth, dante Deo Emitokos Christi will be upon you. You will then find your appointed place.
Caelitus mihi vires.
Respect That is Earned
Respect for ourselves guides our morals, respect for others guides our manners.
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150606. Today was my birthday.
1. I spent the last few days trying to help people.
In real life, I helped XiaoShi to untangle her DNS setup, passwords, and email accounts. I worked on a small project with her husband Bridges on the side.
Bridges is a math professor in his 70s. Bridges had accumulated a lot of books, like I used to have. We went through the books, triaged, and selected 1/3 to keep and 2/3 to give away.
Bridges said that the task was less difficult than he'd expected. He didn't think there were any books in the “discard” boxes that he'd feel the need to go and rescue. So, we made progress with one of life's processes, deciding what is part of one's life and needs to remain.
2. I volunteered to help a chapter of the ACM (Association for Computing Machinery) migrate from an old database system to a new one.
3. XiaoShi is an IRL (In Real Life) Chinese startuper of my generation. I tried to encourage other IRL startupers as well.
One IRL startuper, Moe, sells cell-phone accessories and dreams of the right idea, the one that will fill both a need and a bank account. Another, Twizz, is trying to build an artist community, a place that he hopes will be wonderful:
I wish both of them luck and will help if I'm able to help.
4. Online, I did what I do; I looked for ways to be useful.
My birthday was satisfactory in general.
Phenek Birthday Card
This birthday card from Phenek is reminiscent of the 1970s. Nothing wrong with that. The card made me smile.
5. I've had to lie down a couple of times each day. This birthday brought age with it. I'm more tired than I've been before.
The arthritis has progressed. One of my arms doesn't bend correctly. It's odd to realize that I can't simply lie down any more; instead, I need to find a position that my arm will permit.
My right index finger continues to bend backwards. It's an unpleasant feeling and it complicates typing. I've adapted, though. I no longer need to tape a paperclip to the finger in order to work.
One tooth turned out to be “3/4 gone” recently. Another tooth needs a crown. Something that people of means take for granted.
The “breathing shock” issue occurs periodically. I think that it's an issue with the HPT axis, but I'll never know.
6. There is no medical care. In January 2012, my Brother Tom Kiraly ranted at me that “There are services! Services!” but he was mistaken.
Tom Kiraly committed perjury related to his rant subsequently. I suppose that the perjury is more important. But, really, Tom is uneducated about the medical sector despite working in it.
The abuser Jim Kiraly said that I was trying to “blackmail” him about the abuse to get money for medical care.
But Jim Kiraly didn't know that I had money. I had about $225,000 USD. Not bad for somebody who was wiped out in the Crash of 2008. I rebuilt to that extent in just three years.
I was worried about not finding new jobs quickly enough. But, for a short period, I had more than enough money to cover medical care. Regrettably, I never got to use it. The Kiralys took everything that I had.
Even my home of 25 years. It wasn't a very nice place. I was paying too much for it. But they took my home.
It was the place where I could go every night and sleep. I didn't need a car there; everything was in walking distance.
I didn't have anything else. They took my home.
7. The Kiralys and the people who worked with them erased my life savings. I lost my home of 25 years, my chances for retirement, my chances for a family, my chances for anything.
But something else is different. I've changed. I'm probably who and what I was supposed to be now.
8. DNA the elderly attorney, who you may observe at this link, commented the other day on this type of change.
DNA was born crippled in the 1930s. The word “crippled” is not politically correct but things are what they are.
Part of DNA's body was caved in, he was weak, and in Depression-Era Texas, this meant that he was there to be hunted by others.
Others like Jim Kiraly.
It lasted for years. Longer than it should have. Then, in the 1940s, DNA realized... he didn't need to take it any more.
He was lucky enough to gain some health and some strength. And straight-forward enough to proceed with a simple plan: Obtain a gun and put it to what he considered to be appropriate use.
So, DNA walked calmly through town with a gun, hunting those who had hunted him.
This was considered slightly out of the ordinary. However, by the standards of the time and the place, it was not too eyebrow raising.
Rural Texas is, to this day, different than the textbook world that I was raised to believe in. It is more real in this area; the pretense is worn thin in places and the skull grins out through the skin.
DNA's brother was beaten to death in rural Texas in recent years and this was seen as a minor incident.
If, in the 1940s, DNA had found what he was hunting, there'd have been a conclusive end to the story. DNA tells me that he would not have hesitated for a moment to do what he set out to do.
However, discretion was perceived by others as the better part of valor. Those who had hunted DNA decided not to stroll down the streets during this period.
Eventually, DNA put down his gun, joined the Army, and became an officer there. An officer who was known as somebody that you did not cross.
DNA went from being attacked by others to somebody very different to somebody who managed to integrate different perspectives.
Three stages. It's happened to me too. Perhaps this type of transition is not uncommon.
The license for the Clint Eastwood illustration is Creative Commons BY 3.0. For attribution purposes, the rights-holder is ConnerKonEl.
What justifies one's actions?
Aim above morality. Be not simply good, be good for something.
9. DNA was young when he went through the transition. He had time to build on what he had become.
I'm not young. For me, there is no long-term to work with.
But I've tried to learn from DNA's example. To integrate Metacognician's perspective on the neurological factors involved. And to look at things from Tactician's metaphysical point of view.
It adds up to this:
I can't put my life together again, not after destruction so complete at my age. However, I can build something for others. Something useful. I can help abused children, abused spouses, victims of abuse of process.
I can make a difference.
Perspectives Color Positions
Believe that life is worth living and your belief will help create the fact.
10. It comes down to information. Information that can be used for legitimate and reasonable purposes.
Attorneys are invited to click on the following link for related points:
Information, to somebody like me, is different than it is to most normals. Did you know that some of us, those of my type, can perceive a collection of information, a set of unrelated points, as a solid object?
Sometimes, we can see missing pieces. In all the years, the implications never really sank in for me. Oh, well.
11. As part of the current stage of a legitimate and reasonable project, I'm going to do something new today.
These websites have never addressed my abuser Jim Kiraly directly or his victim Grace Kiraly or my Brother Tom Kiraly or any other person that the Kiralys named in past “agreements” as so-called “protected parties”.
In 2013, Michael Bonetto tried to suggest that these websites had directly addressed “protected parties”. If I remember correctly, he actually used the word “addressed”.
Michael never pointed to a specific example, of course, because it was the same tired game; try to suggest that something had happened and hope the Court doesn't notice that you're committing a crime right there, right now; the crime of abuse of process.
12. Michael Bonetto, and I'm certainly addressing *you*, you violated most of the rules in the book of Professional Standards that your own firm, Hoge Fenton, wrote. You know, as you've known for two years now, that as the years pass this will be “addressed” in a legitimate and reasonable manner.
13. But, you know what? It's time to move to the next stage.
There are two messages after this part. The first message, which is short, directly addresses Jim Kiraly, Grace Kiraly, and Tom Kiraly. The second one, which is longer, addresses their putative attorney or attorneys.
Date: June 6, 2015
Subject: Two messages, a short one that directly addresses three people and a longer one for their putative attorney or attorneys.
To: Jim Kiraly, the spouse and child abuser who resides or has resided at 32 La Gaviota, Pismo Beach, California; Grace Kiraly, Jim Kiraly's wife and somewhat fluffy victim; and Tom Kiraly, Jim's idiot son, possibly VP or CFO of Hanger, Inc., though Tom has not honored his legal obligation to inform me of the position.
From: Robert (Bob) Kiraly, adult survivor of child abuse, victim of abuse of process committed by or contributed to by the addressees, and writer of the book in progress that the addressees spent a large amount of money trying to stop.
(start of message for three people)
This is a draft that is being edited. Comments and suggestions on wording are welcome. This letter may be merged with the June 21, 2015 Father's Day Greeting.
1. Hi, guys. Pass the longer message that follows this one, 26 parts numbered A1 to A26, on to your putative attorney or attorneys.
Please note that the message in question is addressed to your putative attorney or attorneys and not to yourselves.
2. Say, did you ever read the clause about process servers carefully? Do you understand what the handwritten edit to Part 4 that you agreed to does?
Edits are in progress. I need to find the right balance here.
3. Incidentally, they tried to get me to help them cheat you out of more money. I'd have been pleased to see you drained of the funds that you were using to commit prosecutable crimes, but what they proposed didn't really click with me.
The relevant part now is that you agreed to Part 4 without the use of abuse of process, perjury, or prosecutable crimes to extort your agreement. Keep this mind as things proceed.
You're invited to ask your putative attorney or attorneys to communicate with me. Email will do. There are tidy-up issues to be addressed.
The following paragraph implies that there is a deadline. This will certainly be true, and I assume that I should state a specific number of business days. The clock would presumably start running after service was accomplished.
You have three options. You can do as you're instructed, you can disregard this letter, or you can respond negatively.
If it's anything but the first option, in due course, I'm going to demonstrate a useful point related to the so-called “agreements” and to the Law. The point in question is, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
I'm probably going to offer you a legitimate and reasonable
demonstration either way. I met with a contracts specialist last year,
by the way.
Until such time as these two messages are served upon you formally, they should be viewed as works in progress. They will be moved to their own permanent web-page and tweaked as events proceed.
Regards, Robert (the Old Coder, who is not your punching bag any more after half a century)
P.S. Here's a link to the Ridge Project ebook. It's only 62 pages in length but this is long enough for its purpose. This is the first quarter of the book. You know, the 'book' that you put in quotes to suggest that it wasn't real.
Is it time for you to eat your sh... shoes yet?
(end of message for three people)
This is Olga (Kerechanko) Kmeta, Grace Kiraly's mother, dead nearly 30 years now. It's impossible to understand the Time involved. Olga is beloved to me, more for what she was than what she did, as she lived far away, but she was more than a symbol. The woman was practical, classy in her way, and had a wonderful dry sense of humor.
Grace will not see Ivan, her father, or Olga, her mother again. Ivan is part of Christ and upon Grace's entry into the unknown country, Christ's emetikos, the force which accompanies the perception of lies by the Divine, will transport her to her appointed place.
I've got some ideas for the next iteration of that saga. For the current iteration, click here.
I can't imagine Olga's reaction, any more than I can imagine Ivan's reaction, short of emitokos, to the lies, to the force that defined the land which Ivan and Olga fled close to a century ago.
The rest of this post, 26 parts numbered A1 to A26, is directed to the putative attorney or attorneys of the Kiralys.
(start of message for putative attorney or attorneys)
A1. Dear Putative Attorney or Attorneys,
There are matters to be addressed. Let's start by covering some basics. First, if this letter was read online or obtained from an online copy, note that it's a draft. I'll be working on it until such time as I have the Kiralys served.
A2. On June 1, 2015, the U.S. Supreme Court handed me an early birthday gift. They ruled for Free Speech in the Anthony D. Elonis case.
Mr. Elonis posted statements online that others positioned as “threats”. He was convicted under a federal anti-“threat” statute of making “threats” and was sentenced to about 4 years in prison. The Supreme Court threw out the conviction.
This helps to reduce the effectiveness of one weapon that my abuser, Jim Kiraly, might have tried to use against me.
A3. It's important to understand the legal importance of the “threats” issue.
Imagine that there's a violent but wealthy abuser. He's worried that his victim is going to talk. So, he files a legal action known as CLETS against his victim. He has no justification for the legal action, but this doesn't matter.
CLETS is a hole in the legal system. It allows a violent abuser to initiate legal actions against his victim without specific accusations.
There are no criminal charges against the victim, so the victim doesn't get a public defender. No damages are sought. What happens is that the legal actions cost the victim $5,000 USD to $10,000 USD per month. The abuser simply sits back and waits for the victim's money to run out.
The abuser can demand anything to make it stop. For example, a gag order. If the victim refuses to sign the gag order or other demands, this can go on for a year or longer. A year that destroys a life.
Nobody stops the abuser. Misuse of CLETS is a prosecutable crime, but I'm told that Courts turn a blind eye to it. We'll come back to this issue in the future.
During this process, if the victim so much as expresses anger, the anger, in and of itself, can be positioned as a “threat” and the victim can end up in serious trouble.
It's a pretty good deal for abusers. Ironic in a useful way, too, from their point of view.
Violent abusers can use CLETS, an emergency anti-violence measure, to hurt their victims twice.
A4. I went through exactly this process from 2012 to 2013. I don't know if it broke me or not, because I'm not entirely the same person now.
A transition that started in 2008, a sort of growing up, is completed. I'm no longer the one who is here to be hunted.
Make my life as a child a living Hell, hunt me as an adult, stalk me,
use your money to break the Law, commit abuse of process, commit
perjury, try to put a gag order on me so that I can't write about
the abuse, mock the autism, accuse me of being lazy after I've worked
myself half to death for 35 years, tell me that arthritis is my fault,
DDOS me, take my life savings, my home of 25 years, my future, and my
chances for an actual family, people as opposed to mannequins, do that
to me, and we're going to talk.
The abuser was Jim Kiraly of 32 La Gaviota, Pismo Beach, California. Jim Kiraly and his son and victim Tom Kiraly of Hanger, Inc. initiated separately but related CLETS actions against Jim's oldest son and victim, myself.
CLETS is an emergency anti-violence measure. By filing CLETS, the Kiralys asserted that I had made “threats” of physical violence and/or that they were at risk of physical violence. However, in these cases, not a single specific and relevant accusation was ever made that was not demonstrable perjury.
The CLETS actions were intended solely to stop my work on a book. This has already been demonstrated. We'll come back to this point in part A6.
A5. Jim Kiraly, the abuser at the heart of the cases, looked for months for ways to stop my book. He jumped in without being fully prepared, though. This was related partly to delusions on Jim's part related to “hacking”:
* I was aware that Jim Kiraly was stalking me. He'd made threats and was seeking to have me arrested for “blackmail”.
* I knew that Jim was talking about “blackmail” because a cousin told me. But Jim didn't know that my cousin was leaking information to me.
Jim assumed that I must have “hacked” his Gmail account to learn about the word “blackmail”. Jim had had nothing specific to use against me until this point, and he figured that “hacking” charges would serve as the missing piece.
CLETS is about physical violence and not “hacking”. However, Jim and his attorney, Michael Bonetto of Hoge Fenton, saw this as a detail to be brushed aside.
* Jim and I didn't talk directly during this period, but one day I was sufficiently frightened and angry to call him and say something similar to this: “You can't hurt me any more, Jimmie. Wife beater. Child abuser.”
Jim Kiraly was affronted. He gave Hoge Fenton, a high powered law firm, the order to proceed with abuse of process. Tom Kiraly joined him.
Ken Kiraly decided not to make it three of a kind. Ken and I are going to talk about that decision. And about the other decisions that everybody involved made.
In the year that followed, Jim Kiraly, Tom Kiraly, and Hoge Fenton committed or were involved in a series of prosecutable crimes. It didn't work out as well for the Kiralys as they'd hoped.
A6. Taking into account the fact that the CLETS actions were initiated by an actual violent abuser, Jim Kiraly of S.C.O.R.E., they represented both irony and abuse of process of a new order of magnitude.
A7. The CLETS actions tiptoed around a number of facts that were inconvenient for the Kiralys. These are documented online, but here are a few representative examples.
Attorneys reading this who are not familiar with CLETS should keep in mind that CLETS is an emergency anti-violence measure. Not a toy for wealthy abusers.
* I was not mobile at the time that CLETS was filed. In fact, I was in a wheelchair.
* I lived 200 miles from Jim Kiraly and 3,000 miles from Tom Kiraly.
* My right hand was swollen to two or three times normal volume and could not be used.
* I did not even own a car.
* I was not lawfully served in the cases. Michael Bonetto of Hoge Fenton, Opposing Counsel, denied this fact. However, Michael was aware of the issue.
When I phoned Michael to discuss the matter, I caught him in a lie related to dates. And, when I showed up in Court, the proof of service was mysteriously missing.
Michael seemed to be trying to say, at that point, that I had been served but that somehow the proof of service had been misplaced.
* The pleadings are poorly constructed. So poorly constructed that it appears that nobody was ever actually supposed to read them.
Reasonable people who review the pleadings and the history of the cases might conclude that the Kiralys thought I was a pauper and would not show up in Court. Or that I would be a Pro-Per and easily disposed of.
* Jim Kiraly claimed initially that I was making false statements to the effect that he was an abuser.
I promptly produced a witness and offered him to Hoge Fenton. The result was sort of funny. The offer was never acknowledged but Hoge Fenton abruptly stopped talking about false claims of abuse.
As Jim made his claims under oath, they were perjury.
* Tom Kiraly listed no specific causes for action in his pleadings that I recall except for two facts:
(a) The fact that I'd phoned Tom in January 2012 to wish him a Happy Birthday. Tom stated that this call was “stalking” He neglected to mention that the call was scheduled in advance, that he took it initially with apparently pleasure, that he invited me to call back, and that we spoke a number of times thereafter, on which occasions he never once asked me not to call him.
(b) The fact that I'd left Tom a polite voicemail message related to my desire to pass on to him books of religious poetry that our grandfather had written. The books were to be left to Tom in my will. The offer of the books was positioned as physical violence but Tom never spelled out exactly how.
Tom Kiraly's pleadings tried to imply that he'd asked me not to phone him. But the pleadings didn't actually come right out and say this. This was frustrating for an autistic victim of abuse of process. These people weren't making specific accusations and yet my life was destroyed.
In short, Jim Kiraly is vulnerable because he's a violent abuser who committed abuse of process and lied under oath. But Tom Kiraly... his own actions are so without merit that he's aware, I think, of the sunless location where his own actions will thrust in, in a legitimate and reasonable sense, and nestle comfortably for the rest of his life.
* CLETS is an emergency anti-violence action. I never once, in my life, committed or threatened physical violence against Jim Kiraly. Jim Kiraly, on the other hand, committed physical violence against both my mother Grace Kiraly and myself.
* I was not even asked not to make phone calls. Read the pleadings in the Gag Order Cases. The pleadings imply that I'd been asked not to call, but I never was.
* There's a fantasy story about the police in the pleadings. It tries to suggest that the police phoned me to warn me not to phone my parents.
The police never actually did this, and the Kiralys knew this, so the pleadings pile on vague statement after vague statement and the statements don't actually say anything. The resulting story is remarkable. It goes something like this:
“We assume that the police called Robert. They must have told him that it was bad to phone people against their will. However, we're not saying that this actually happened. So we need to add more sentences that obscure the fact we're not even claiming it happened. ”
I'm old enough to have read about a lot of odd stuff in the legal arena. But I've never heard of people with so little to go on that they try stunts like this.
* Prior to filing, my Mother drove 200 miles to visit me, unannounced, and started phoning me herself. I never called her household until Jim threatened me over my book.
This was in 2012. Jim and Tom Kiraly tried to connect an incident that occurred after Thanksgiving 2011 to the CLETS cases. After Thanksgiving 2011, I mentioned my book to my parents and asked them to help. They immediately threatened me with the police and told me not to call them.
However, my mother, Grace Kiraly, visited me in person not long afterwards and phone calls subsequently were from Grace to me, not the other way around. All of this was proved subsequently by discovery evidence.
* After my mother Grace Kiraly visited me, she gave me permission to interview her Pastor for my book. The interview was scheduled with New Life Pismo Church well in advance. It was pleasant and productive in nature.
* Discovery for the CLETS actions sought to imply, though it was never stated, that the consensual interview with Grace's Pastor was connected in some manner to physical violence. I was never able to follow the logic. Jim Kiraly seemed to think that I'd called the Pastor to rant about the abuse that Jim had committed.
The call actually centered on the nature of a Christ Follower and the role of a Christian in the temporary world. And even if I had called the Pastor to discuss abuse, a rather different subject, Jim would still have had no right to file CLETS.
CLETS is an emergency anti-violence action. It's not a gag order.
* The purpose of discovery for the CLETS actions was calculated not to obtain relevant information but to drive up my costs so as to erase my life savings and extort my agreement to a gag order.
By the way, the gag order has been posted online. Opposing Counsel was exercised about that.
* Many of the discovery demands were inappropriate. In one case, the Kiralys demanded all of my medical records dating back to birth. I told my attorney to respond, “Check in my diaper, bitches.” I don't know if he followed through or not.
Other demands for discovery were largely attempts to suggest that something inappropriate had happened without ever spelling anything out.
These demands cost me thousands of dollars each. I tried to instruct my attorney, John Perrott, to short-circuit the process, to refuse to respond, and to get everybody into Court once Michael Bonetto filed motions related to non-compliance. However, John repeatedly ignored specific instructions.
I just wanted my day in Court, the chance to confront my abuser and to tell the Court what was going on. I never got the chance. Instead my abuser Jim Kiraly, my brother Tom Kiraly, Michael Bonetto of Hoge Fenton, Michael's sidekick Maggie Desmond, and my own attorney John Perrott, in effect, raped me.
I changed during all of this. I'm not the same person. But I like who and what I've become.
* The Kiralys cited postcards I'd sent my parents as evidence of... well, nothing. I'd sought the advice of the police in their area and the police approved the postcards. The postcards told my parents that they could not stop the book. This was true then and it is true now.
* Jim Kiraly contacted people and told them “Don't be afraid... to give me something... to prosecute Bob.”
I was both frightened and furious about this. I tried to contact two of my brothers, Tom Kiraly and Ken Kiraly, about the matter. They never once asked me not to phone them. They simply didn't answer the phone.
* When I realized that my brothers were not even showing me the courtesy of asking me not to call them, I left angry voicemail messages for them. No obscenities that I recall were used and not a single inappropriate threat was made.
* The Kiralys submitted transcripts of the voicemail messages as evidence that CLETS, an emergency anti-violence measure, was required despite the following points:
(a) The voicemail messages were a response to escalating threats
made by a violent abuser, Jim Kiraly, against me
* I'm autistic. The Kiralys, for reasons that weren't clear, made this into an issue. They demanded that I prove I was autistic. Even though they were the ones who had told me I was different four decades before.
* I had to attend a deposition alone due to the evaporation of my life savings. At the deposition, not a single question related to physical violence was asked.
Instead, Opposing Counsel, Michael Bonetto of Hoge Fenton, asked me about legal strategy, tried to demonstrate that I must have hacked Gmail to learn about the “blackmail” accusation, and suggested that my websites were “addressing” his clients.
* I signed a stipulation that gave the Kiralys essentially everything that they demanded except for the right to put me into a violence database if I continued to work on my book. They turned down the stipulation.
This demonstrates that the CLETS actions were about the book and nothing else. The Kiralys committed extortion, in addition to abuse of process, in a failed attempt to cover up unpleasant family secrets.
* After the deposition, the Kiralys had nothing left to work with except for the voicemail transcripts. Which, as noted previously, were not relevant to CLETS. The Kiralys were reduced to attempting to film me so that my autistic patterns of speech could be portrayed as frightening.
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A8. This is a tidy situation, isn't it? :)
In the end, Hoge Fenton, the firm that Jim Kiraly and Tom Kiraly had hired, forced them to sign no-contact “agreements” that were much weaker than proposals I'd offered myself.
The Court refused to have anything to do with the “agreements”. They're not backed by a Court order.
To be clear for attorneys who neglect to pay attention to details, I'm not now, nor have I ever been, under a permanent restraining order. I've explained this to attorneys before, but they don't seem to get it.
It's suggested, respectfully, that attorneys who deal with me be prepared to pay attention to details.
A9. The Gag Order Cases “agreements” were enforceable initially as private contracts. However, less than two months after they were signed, a Kiraly Family representative contacted me, provided evidence that he was working closely with the Kiralys and speaking on their behalf, and threatened me.
The Kiraly Family representative was more comical than frightening. He complained about the fact that my writings about the prosecutable crimes that the Kiralys had committed were going to the top of Google.
“What is the purpose of this?” he asked.
To address this person as clearly as possible: Um, fool, it's to call attention to the fact that these people committed crimes, to get them prosecuted, to put you in jail if possible, and to help battered wives and abused kids.
The threats were, as always, about one thing. I was supposed to stop work on my book, take down my websites, shut up, and go away.
I responded by geolocating the Kiraly Family representative, tracking his movements across Texas, and posting, for legitimate and reasonable purposes, a photo of a building that he seemed to be operating close to or out of.
The Kiraly Family representative turned out to be a black-hat. After I posted the the photo, he set up a botnet core at Solar VPS and committed DDOS against these websites. Not once, but twice. DDOS, for non-technical attorneys, is a highly prosecutable felony that falls under CFAA, Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. Google it.
The Kiralys had, additionally, committed three crimes to obtain my consent to the so-called “agreements”: demonstrable perjury, abuse of process, and extortion. As multiple parties conspired to commit these crimes, these crimes could most likely be characterized as felonies.
Due to these factors, excluding DDOSes that occurred after 2013, I stated publicly in 2013 that I was repudiating the Gag Order Cases “agreements”.
As a technical note, the repudiation gave Jim Kiraly and Tom Kiraly the opportunity to assert that a presumptive violation of the “agreements” had occurred.
A10. As a separate issue, somebody other than the original black-hat DDOSed me in 2015. If I remember correctly, this person had access to ten Amazon Virtual Machines and configured them so as to perform 50 coordinated accesses each per second.
The result was 500 accesses per second, which might have been annoying a decade ago, but is not really much of a blip these days. It's a prosecutable felony regardless, of course.
It's possible that my brother Ken Kiraly, one of the inventors of the Amazon Kindle and consequently a lead these days at Amazon, set up the 2015 DDOS.
I'd like to find out if Ken is willing to confirm or deny this. But, oddly, a private email address for Ken that I obtained shut down abruptly shortly after the DDOS.
And Ken's wife's Super Attorney, Harmeet Dhillon, seems less than excited about becoming involved with a felony that Ken may have committed. Harmeet is right to be reluctant; Ken isn't her client. But everybody involved in this situation needs to understand that the ostrich games are over.
A11. I assert that the Gag Order Cases “agreements” are not enforceable, but let's talk about a separate point.
The Kiralys demanded that, in the event of a breach, I be required to pay the costs of proving that a breach had occurred.
This clause was related to the fact that Jim Kiraly and Tom Kiraly spent a Hell of a lot of money on the Gag Order Cases and ended up with little more than feces that they'd smeared on their own faces.
A12. My own attorney, John Perrott of Thomas Chase Stutzman, guessed that the Kiralys spent $100,000 or more on their attempt to shut me up.
My own feeling is that it might have been anywhere from $50,000 to $150,000. I doubt that it was less than $50,000. Towards the end of the cases, the Kiralys were palpably upset about the money. They kept trying to cut their costs.
At one point, the Kiralys submitted a discovery form that they'd apparently downloaded from the Internet and tried to fill out themselves.
A13. Michael Bonetto of Hoge Fenton conspired with my attorney, John Perrott of Thomas Chase Stutzman, to drive up my abuser's legal costs.
This was a specific plan, as I understood it, and there were steps that I was supposed to take as part of this.
It wasn't clear how much this exercise was going to cost me. The expectation that Michael and John apparently had was that I'd leap at the chance to cause damage regardless. But I didn't go along with it.
These points will be repeated under oath if need be.
I'm not saying that I'm happy or unhappy about Michael's and John's attempt to cheat Jim and Tom out of thousands of dollars in extra fees. I'll simply note that it's irony on top of irony. The Gag Order cases were an irony festival.
A14. Regardless of the exact amount of money that the Kiralys spent, they weren't happy about the fact that they'd pissed away a pile of cash and gotten less for it that I'd offered them several times. So, they tried to get payment for future legal fees into the “agreements”.
Here's the thing, though.
I maintain that the so-called “agreements”, the ones extorted through the commission of prosecutable felonies by the Kiralys, are not enforceable. From a legal perspective, aren't enforceability and the existence of a breach separate issues?
Reasonable people might agree that it was inappropriate of the Kiralys to contact me and to threaten me subsequent to the signing of the Gag Order Cases “agreements”.
This, combined with prosecutable crimes committed by the Kiralys, some of which can be proved conclusively, most likely release me from any obligation to honor the so-called “agreements” or to do anything other than wipe my *ss with them.
But, whether or not this is the case, if I decide to assert, myself, that a breach has occurred, and to serve the Kiralys with a stipulation to this effect, doesn't this reduce the Kiralys' cost to prove the existence of a breach to zero?
My guess is that a stipulation by me might well eliminate any chance that the Kiralys could collect attorneys' fees related to efforts to prove a breach.
And the “agreements” don't seem to grant the Kiralys attorney's fees related to efforts to prove enforceability.
If the Kiralys would like to pursue litigation related to the “agreements”, they'll need to tiptoe around prosecutable crimes that they've committed, focus on enforceability, and do this knowing that it's probably going to turn out like last time.
If the Kiralys win on enforceability, and that's a mighty big if, pardner, they might be able to collect a portion of their legal fees based on alternate damages specified in the “agreements”. But only a portion.
What's your take on these points?
A15. To comment further on enforceability:
I don't recall if the “agreements” were explicitly mutual with respect to no-contact, but reasonable people would agree that violations of no-contact by the Kiralys weakened, and most likely eliminated, the ability of the Kiralys to enforce no-contact against the person that they contacted and threatened.
The multiple prosecutable crimes, including felonies, that the Kiralys committed are icing on the cake.
A16. My abuser's desire to avoid publicity and thereby accountability is something that should be taken into account.
In 2012, Jim Kiraly couldn't get it through his head that gag
orders below the NSA level are problematic because somebody can
simply call attention to the gag orders themselves.
I assume that Jim is less of a fool at this point. But I trust you'll make it clear to him that future litigation will be far more public than the first time around.
Publicity will not be limited to websites. It will certainly include phone calls and visits to media figures, anti-abuse groups, Church groups, and third parties of any/all types who wish to speak on a consensual basis.
This is the plan regardless, of course. But I keep thinking about what I know of martial arts. You know the fundamental principle, right?
A17. Any attempt to seek a formal gag order from the Court will most likely backfire for these reasons:
(a) I could not be ordered not to disclose the fact that I was under a gag order sought, yet again, by a spouse and child abuser.
(b) I could not be ordered not to post any/all documents that I received about the matter online. Or, in the event that a gag order was issued verbally, the wording of the verbal order to the best of my recollection.
(c) If such orders were issued regardless, this might be the catalyst needed for publicity to “go viral”. I'm not sure; I don't usually operate at that level.
I've had a small amount of international publicity related to the situation as a whole. There are a number of weblogs in China, for example, that are still following the story a year after the initial magazine articles circulated.
But I don't know any more than anybody else about what it takes for a situation to “go viral”. See the remarks about the Streisand Effect further down.
A18. I do have a tendency these days to post any/all legal documents that I receive or am served with online. Some of them tend, surprisingly, to go to the top of Google.
This practice resulted in an interesting reductio ad absurdum in the past cases. I was served with an order not to seek the addresses of a number of people. But the order itself contained the addresses.
I posted the document online and asked Opposing Counsel to address the reductio ad absurdum. No response was received.
A19. The State Bar and District Attorneys in the appropriate jurisdictions will have only limited interest. However, I learned that many attorneys are overconfident. They tend to commit actual crimes.
And I'm very good at documentation.
A20. Jurisdiction is an interesting issue. I was completely homeless for a while and I'm a transient now. What State and County will the Kiralys need to file in and travel to?
Is Austin, Texas acceptable to you? I can find tech work in Austin, some of my startupers live in the area, and there is legitimate and reasonable research to be done. The research, in particular, needs to be addressed.
A21. What about legal service?
Will the Kiralys be able to get away with service by snail-mail? Or will physical service be required?
Regrettably, and this is simply an observation, physical service isn't likely to be possible in the short term.
I agreed previously to provide a snail-mail address for purposes of service by snail-mail. However, this would only apply to legal actions where service by snail-mail is allowed, right? I don't believe I waived any rights to physical service. Tell me if I'm mistaken.
Additionally, as I unequivocably repudiate the Gag Order Cases “agreements”, the snail-mail address provided previously is hereby withdrawn.
The attorney at the address in question will be instructed not to accept legal service on my behalf. This may be a moot point, though, as she's told me that relevant legal actions would require physical service regardless.
I haven't researched the issue, but I think that she's misinformed me. However, it comes down to enforceability again.
A22. I'd like to offer you a positive and friendly advisory. It's intended to further the development of our relationship.
If you and I meet in Court on opposite sides, every step you take for the rest of your career that is reasonably connected to a Free Speech analysis of your background and decision to conceal or support spousal abuse, child abuse, abuse of process, and prosecutable crimes will be subject, for legitimate and reasonable purposes, to documentation and public discussion.
This will include all information of any type that may be used for legitimate and reasonable purposes. For a partial list of legitimate and reasonable purposes, kindly review the following link:
A23. As a technical note, in the event of future website takedown attempts, a mechanism known as decentralized distribution will be used subsequently.
A24. People may also wish to Google for something known as the Streisand Effect.
The Streisand Effect isn't an ace in the hole for me, because it's rare and can't be predicted or controlled. I don't expect to see it arise in the Gag Order cases. However, it's a possibility that interested parties should make an effort to understand.
A25. The SCOTUS decision in the Anthony D. Elonis case doesn't settle the broader questions involved. However, it's interesting. Don't you agree?
A26. The following paragraph specifically excludes physical violence or threats of such and is specifically limited to legitimate and reasonable actions.
Your clients and everybody involved in the Kiraly Gag Order Cases belong, in a legitimate and reasonable sense and taking the limitations stated above into account, to me, now and for decades to come. I can, and I will, use the prosecutable crimes that were committed by the parties in question, as I deem appropriate, to work towards positive social goals.
Regards, Robert (the Old Coder)
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140313. Jeff Jenkins posted these questions and others recently at Ask Hacker News:
What happens to older developers? Is there a plateau in pay? Is there a drop in pay switching jobs after a certain number of years? Is becoming a specialist rather than a generalist the answer?
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This is my response:
Developers who go on long enough are expected to obtain high-level titles by their 50s or to retire at about that time.
I'd like to discuss an issue that you might not have thought about: What's going to happen if you lose your job?
Employment in the 50s can be problematic. If somebody is skilled and employed, and has a high-level title or is a specialist or has useful connections, they should be able to obtain a new position.
Otherwise, they might go from well-off to homeless. It happens. I'm 55, my resume is pretty good, and I was worth $1M a decade ago. I'm a transient now. I've got some medical issues, no medical care, and no dentists. Potential jobs are largely unskilled physical labor, which I'm not able to do.
I'm taking a shot at tutoring. However, I don't expect that to provide more than gas money. The head of an admin assistant firm said that I can't be a secretary unless I already am one.
Two people considered sending me to care for elderly relatives, but we didn't proceed. My title at one of those positions was going to be “poop scooper”.
Don't let this happen to you. For what it's worth, here's my advice:
1. Don't fall off of the employment ladder.
2. Become a specialist. Try to remain broad enough, though, that you don't become obsolete.
3. Build a network of people. Make it a large one.
4. Diversify your investments.
5. While you're employed, don't let medical issues, even minor ones, go untreated for long. If you lose your job and your assets, you'll lose medical care too and the issues may become serious.
6. Be kind to people. But don't be a fool. Most people that you help are not going to return the favor.
Regarding specialists, I did recruiting for a while in 2011 and I can confirm that the filters are weighted against generalists.
I've spent about 35 years myself as a generalist. My jobs called for it. The place where I spent most of my career took any project that came along, code of any type. At a dot-com that followed, after the money ran out, I handled all of the technical roles; IT, websites, development, support, documentation, etc. I was able to do a bit of everything.
Later on, none of this made a difference. There are few job listings that say “a bit of everything”.
After the dot-com shut down, 2003, I made $1M in the stock market. Lost most of it afterwards and reentered the job market. Learned that middle-age generalists were not in high demand.
In my case, there were other factors that won't apply to you. It's a story for another time. But if you're a generalist who falls off of the ladder in middle age, you can expect things like this:
“With a resume like that, why isn't he a CTO? Why doesn't he even have a job?”
You'll be asked questions about algorithms that you haven't thought about for 30 years. Or you'll go through coding tests under adverse conditions that don't allow you to show what you can do.
Plan ahead. Understand that the best-laid schemes of mice and men often go awry.
My own resume is located at:
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Regards, Robert (the Old Coder)
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